The Dailies (Current Events) — December 13, 2011 at 3:57 pm

Tim Tebow and Catholics – the Emerging Love Hate Relationship

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Keeping it perfectly honest? I never liked Tim Tebow as a football player, and after that 2007 fiasco in the BCS College Football Championship when the Florida Gators humiliated my Ohio State Buckeyes, I began to dislike him on a personal level. Later when I discovered that the Bob Tebow Evangelistic Association (BTEA) has been anti-Catholic in praxis for nearly thirty years, I found even more solid grounding to stir my dislike of Tim and the ministry that he’s been paling around with all this life. Then when he was drafted by the Denver Broncos, as a Cleveland Browns fan from ‘The Drive’ and ‘The Fumble’ era, my dislike of Tim was cemented in concrete.

So yeah, it came as a complete shock to me yesterday when I found myself defending Tebow’s fourth quarter prowess against the insults being hurled at him by the object of my affection. She was calling the poor kid everything but a quarterback, and there I was, for some hypocritical reason, defending him based upon his proven ability to win tight football games. It all began with a simple debate over whether the Cleveland Browns should position themselves to draft Andrew Luck in the 2012 draft, because I don’t think their current quarterback, Colt McCoy, can win games – next thing I know she’s draped me into singing the virtues of the young man who has become a legend and favorite of Christians throughout the world for his visual displays of being a committed follower of Jesus Christ. Tim Tebow is just one of those guys you have to like – he’s a winner, and you may not respect the unorthodox way he goes about winning, but you have to respect the fact that the kid get’s it done. Dave Hartline’s recent article Why The Secular Left Dislikes Tim Tebow adds even more reason why Christians love the guy.

That being said, Tim is a son Bob Tebow, as well as a faithful volunteer and financial contributor of BTEA which has, since 1985, been spreading false teachings throughout the Philippines to deceivingly lure Catholics out of the Catholic Church and into Protestant confusiondom. That is, out of the only Church that Jesus Christ started through His Apostles and into unBiblical denominations.

Even though over 80% of the population of the Philippines is Catholic, the BTEA says this on their website:

The Philippines, a country comprised of over 7,100 islands, has historically been an area of abuse and conquest. Of the 86 million Filipinos, we estimate that over 65 million have never once heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Also according to their website, the goal of BTEA is to continue to attack the Catholic Church by dividing and fragmenting the people of God with their false teaching:

Our PLAN is to preach the Gospel in every village in the Philippines in the next few years. The task is great, but God specializes and delights in doing the impossible! We intend to increase our staff of national evangelists to 60. By dividing the country into theaters of operation, with each evangelist assigned to a specific area, and working extremely hard, we intend to preach the Gospel in every village. The plan includes providing theological training and guidance to help national pastors to conduct the best possible follow-up.

Jesus Christ prayed that we all would be one, so that the world would believe and know that the Father sent His Son (Cf. John 17:21-23). Therefore, it follows that if we are not one, then the world has every reason not to believe our Gospel. For the past 500 hundred years, false ministries such as BTEA have been poaching Catholics into their synagogues of lies and heresy and together have contributed to fragmenting of Christians into over 30,000 Protestant denominations and their thousands of conflicting and competing doctrines. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Bob Tebow’s converts are poorly catechized Filipino Catholics. By aiding Satan in dividing the people of God Protestantism has, for the past 500 years, not only made Christianity weaker, but has also made it a mockery to the world. It is true, that because of groups like the BTEA, and their destructive machinations, the world has no reason to believe that the Father sent us His Son, because we are not one.

This is why faithful Catholics find it difficult to root for Tim Tebow. Inasmuch as he is a winner and we love winners, we also know the ministry that he gave his heart and soul to ever since he was a child is anti-Catholic, and that he using his new wealth to support his father’s plan to attack the Catholic Church.

Can we separate Tim Tebow on the football field from his evangelization efforts during the off season or from his financial contributions to BTEA? Can we separate the son from the anti-Catholic father? Indeed, these are good questions. As for me, I’d rather just keep it simple. Therefore I’m back to booing Tim Tebow until I forget to again. . . .

  • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

    A nice follow-up perspective to this article is one written by Dave Hartline at American Catholic entitled Bringing Tim Tebow & Others To The Fullness of Truth That Is The Catholic Church

    Another is Tim Tebow Motivates, Challenges Catholics by Justin Bell

  • Robert Green

    How can you say that “faithful Catholics find it difficult to root for Tim Tebow”?

    As a staunch and faithful practicing catholic, I personally find it very easy to root for Tim Tebow, not just for his exploits on the field, but for the glory he is bringing to God off the field.

    When asked by a reporter why he keeps talking about his faith and about Jesus, he told the reporter [and I'm paraphrasing] that he wants to use the platform he has been given to do good in the world and bring glory to God.

    As a Christian (I don’t care what denomination) you have to root for the good that he is doing. One of the things he is doing in the Philippines is building a hospital using his charitable foundation “The Tim Tebow Foundation”.

    Your article/opinion piece does not cite any evidence that BTEA is Anti-Catholic. The BTEA statement, that 65 of 86 million Filipinos have not once heard the Gospel, is merely an estimate by their own admission. If this is a jab at the Catholic Church, I am certainly not the one to judge. But If they are able to get lapsed and non-practicing Catholics to convert and live their christian faith deeply, is that a bad thing? I would rather see someone become a Holy Spirit-Filled protestant and get to heaven than stay a lapsed and non-practicing catholic and lose their souls.

    To assume that the Tebow family’s desire to spread the love of Jesus, even in their limited protestant faith, is somehow an attack on the Catholic Church, is blatantly false and against the teachings of the Catholic Church itself. Please read your Catechism paragraphs 818 and 819. (to very quickly paraphrase these paragraphs, it basically says that all christians are our brothers in Christ, justified by Faith and Baptism. It also goes on to say,”Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches [non-catholic christian churches] and ecclesiastical communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church.”

    Therefore, what Tim Tebow is doing is a good thing. He should be commended for his ministry and having the fortitude to yell it from the mountain tops, especially by Catholics, who have the fullness of the faith.

    As a Pittsburgh Steelers fan I will not root for the Broncos if they meet us in the playoffs. However, I want Tim Tebow to do well on and off the field. Not just because his version of football is exciting to watch, but because the bigger the platform he is given by the media, the more people he can reach with his message of love for Jesus.

    • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

      Thanks for the comments Robert. I think you are correct the proper wording should have been ‘why SOME faithful Catholics . . .”

      Concerning BTEA being anti-Catholic notice at the opening of the article I said it was was in praxis. What I mean by that by the exercise of their ministry the majority of their converts have been Catholics. But let’s take a look at the doctrine of BTEA on their website to see if what they believe runs in opposition to our truth:

      From http://www.btea.org/whatwebelieve.asp we can see that their belief about the Trinity is similar to ours, but as we scroll down to their understanding of ‘Salvation’ and ‘The Church’ we see that it is BLATANTLY and INTENTIONALLY protesting against what we hold to be true. They teach that Baptism does NOT remove the stain of the original sin. They teach that the Lord’s Supper is NOT His Body Blood Soul and Divinity. Concerning the Bible, they believe in Sola-Scriptura. These are all lies and deceptions that can cause spiritual harm to those who are duped into believing them.

      Concerning the Hospitals Tim Tebow is building, he is partnering with BTEA to do so.

      About everything else in your comments I think we ‘generally’ agree enough. Tim is doing the best that he knows how, just as any protestant that hasn’t been shown the beauty of the Catholic faith. I don’t have a Hell to judge him into for being deceived by his father, who was probably deceived by someone else. This morning I prayed a decade of the Rosary for Tim and I join in with the rest of the Catholic faithful to pray for the salvation, forgiveness of sins, conversion of heart, and conversion to the Catholic Church for him, his family, and all the staff of BTEA.

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  • Stephanie Murchio

    Robert,
    I understand where you are coming from. Although to say that you would “rather see someone become a Holy Spirit-Filled protestant and get to heaven than stay a lapsed and non-practicing catholic and lose their souls,” is a dangerous mind set. Many people would agree with you, and I also did at first, but here’s why I believe this is something we Catholics should not so easily pass off as something good: Many fallen away Catholics that attend protestant services are preached against the Catholic faith. I’ve attended services myself as well as friends and family members of mine. We have all experienced a very on non Catholic sentiment in protestant services. Many Catholic who leave the faith leave out of ignorance. And when they begin to attend protestant services, they are very often preached to about how Catholicism is wrong or that being Catholic is bad. Thus, scarring fallen away Catholics and making them potentially believe that the Catholic faith is what it’s truly not. Thus, enabling those Catholics to come back to the fullness of the faith by hindering their perception and understanding of it.

  • James

    I don’t find it offensive at all that the article says that faithful Catholics find it hard to root for Tebow. I find it very hard myself and I know quite a few others who do as well. In fact, this article was forwarded to me by a Catholic friend of mine.

    I think the person who commented above actually comes on a little too strongly to question “how can you say faithful Catholics find it difficult to root for Tebow?” as if the poster has no right to have his own opinion. It’s his opinion and mine as well.

    I think I would rather have a Catholic be a lukewarm Catholic than convert to the falsehood of Protestantism. To me, a lukewarm Catholic is like someone living along side the life source, while not tapping into it. Pulling them completely away from that and into Protestantism is pulling them completely way from the source of life. At least still being Catholic they have a better chance to come back into the fullness of truth and take part once again in the Holy Sacrament – the body and blood of Our Savior. Also, to take part in the divine forgiveness that the Sacrament of Confession offers.

    Think about what you are saying — if we truly believe Christ, almighty God, established His Church, the Catholic Church — how can we tell Christ that it is better for these people to be pulled into a Church started by a mere man? I think it is infinitely better for someone at least to stay close to the Body of Christ than to run to a church of man.

    I wouldn’t want to see anyone leave the Church for Protestantism because you pull them away from the fullness of truth and the from the Holy Sacraments that impart divine grace. I can’t understand how wanting to see them go further from the Holy Eucharist is better than seeing them as lukewarm Catholics – at the very least they are getting the divine grace of Christ through the Sacraments and they have a better chance of coming home while still inside the house (even if they do have one foot out the door).

    To say that 65 million people in the Philippines have not heard the Gospel — call it what you want — but that implies that the Catholic Church does not preach the Gospel since that is the approximate number of Catholics in the Philippines (65-73 million). Also, read their newsletters – I think you will change your mind. Now, I know that not *all* Baptists are this way, but I would venture to say that the vast majority are anti-Catholic. So that is strong circumstantial evidence.

    Its great he’s building hospitals, but that can be done without the going after Catholics.

    Now here comes a big twist – by now you probably think I would say no Catholic should root for Tebow. Not at all, those are my own personal reasons I myself find it hard to go for him. I have a hard time separating his off he field actions from on the field actions since he brings what he does off the field into his “sports life” as well. This is not to say that some other Catholics could find it easy just to admire his grid iron skills and leave it at that. I just can’t myself. I personally will not hold him up as a role model for my kids though.

    • JimmieKrackKorn

      In support of Bob Tebow and his Evangelistic outreaches in the Phillipines.
      It sounds like you believe the Phillipines to be a closed country, emblazoned with the shield of Rome, and no one else is allowed to share thier beliefs and allow the Filapinos to make up their own minds. Much like Rome in the Dark Ages. When the Popes boot was on the throat of Europe and all who disagreed with her false teachings were gorged, disemboweled, drawn and quartered, beheaded, and burned alive. Oh, if only we could return to those days, how easy it would be for the Catholic dream of Total Temporal Power. Much like Luther I see missionaries such as the Tebows risking Jesuit payback and snatching Filapinos from the fire.
      However if you can chill for a short while from what I see many denomination are returning to the Mother Harlot so you may get your wish after all…

      • http://davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

        Thanks for commenting Jimmie. No, I don’t believe that the Phillipines is a closed country. What I do believe in is the truth, and BTEA is full of lies about Jesus and about the Catholic Church. Like all protesters his goal is to rob people of the fullness of the faith only to give them something less than what God gifted them when His Son Jesus established ONE Church through His Apostles. That Church that Jesus established is still with us here today – it is the Church that began calling itself Catholic in the late first century. It is the Church that has never left us. The Church that has as a founder Jesus Christ – not some men five hundred years ago. It is the Church that still teaches the Apostolic doctrine handed down to it. It is the Church that has withstood every attack from Satan through governments, it’s own members, and other religions. It is the Church that has never experienced a Dark Age because it is the enlightenment. It is the Church that has proved that the so-called Age of Enlightenment has lead to nothing but spiritual darkness.

        The funny thing about the truth is that the only thing that can come against it is the lie. The lie is what people would rather believe, but the lie is something that can last very long. The protestant experiment is just about over – it’s failed in Europe and with her daughters, now it is trying again in browner countries. The lie always runs whenever it is exploited.

  • Robert Green

    According to John the Apostle in Revelation 3:16, Jesus himself said, “So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”

    Based on that, how could you want anyone to be lukewarm? I agree with the underlying sentiment, from both of you, that you would rather them stay catholic. I agree. I would rather the entire world be united in the Catholic Faith that contains the fullness of Truth as established by Jesus Christ himself. However, I want everyone to go to heaven. And being lukewarm and non-practicing in your faith is not the way to get there, regardless of what denomination you are.

    I am incredibly disappointed by both the tone of this article, and by the responses I have received. We will never have Unity, and we will never be able to bring protestant faiths back into the fullness of the Catholic Church if we take this haughty attitude toward those who have less than us spiritually. We need to concentrate on the positives; on the things that we have in common with protestants. We do not need to be concentrating on the things that tear us apart. That negative and haughty attitude is against true humility and hurts the Body of Christ.

    Please remember that the Catholic Church herself teaches that these other christian denominations ARE, IN FACT, a part of the body of Christ. We, as Catholics do not have a monopoly on salvation. (again, read your catechism paragraphs 818 and 819). Jesus Christ, alone, has, and is, that monopoly. If a person is spreading the Love of Jesus, teaching people about the Gospel, and converting hearts to God and away from sin, that is the call of the Gospel. That is what Jesus has commanded us to do. We should be excited for and support someone like Tim Tebow or even our protestant friends around town who are doing this.

    We of course should be sharing with them the extra graces and benefits that come with being Catholic. But merely the fact that they are protestant does not detract from the good works they are doing in the name of Jesus.

    Finally let me use an analogy my father-in-law shared with me, (who happens to work at Franciscan University and is a close friend of Dr. Scott Hann). If the road through this life toward heaven were like a car trip from Annaplis, MD, to San Diego, CA, (which is certainly a long and arduous journey), and you had a whole slew of kids in the back (6+ lets say), then being a Catholic on this journey would be like having a very nice 2012 Honda Pilot with DVD players built in and all the best amenities, gas mileage, and comforts one could want. A protestant on the same journey with the same number of kids would be like trying to get to San Diego, on a very limited budget, while driving a 1987 Chevy Pick up truck. Can they get there? Yes. Can the poorer protestant family still be excited about the trip and have a great time? Yes. Should we help and support them if they are yelling from the mountain tops about how great it is to go to San Diego and how everyone should have a Chevy Pickup to make the journey. Absolutely. We should be positive and enthusiastic for them, and we certainly should share with them how it would be even better if they were making the trip in a Honda Pilot.

    To take the analogy one step further. What if a person has no vehicle (not a christian), or has a vehicle (lets say a Honda Pilot) but is headed in the wrong direction? If I could not reach those people headed in the wrong direction, I would certainly want someone, ANYONE, to reach them and get them in the right direction. After getting them going in the right direction, towards heaven, we can try to upgrade their car later. But there is no time to waste. The time is now. Do not let these poor people languish one more minute in sin and lukewarmness. We must set the world on fire for love of Jesus. We should be ashamed that protestants (in their poor chevy pickups) with less graces, less sacraments, no saints, no Mary, ect… are in many cases (not all cases of course), but many cases are doing a better job than us, at spreading the Good News.

  • Robert Green

    I want to add a small addendum. I have had protestant try to convert me. I think most of us had. If a Catholic is strong in his faith, and truly lives the Gospel, then the attempted conversion should be no threat at all. In fact it should be a very positive thing. I had fantastic and very fulfilling conversations/debates with the protestant who tried to convert me. I think we both came out of it stronger in our love for Jesus, more excited about what Jesus did for us, and had a better understanding of eachother. I don’t think that any denomination attempting to spread the Good News could ever be a bad thing. It may turn the fallen away back to living the Gospel, or strengthen those who are solidified in their faith. This is much more an opinion, as I haven’t done any research on this specifically, but I’m having trouble seeing how it could every be a bad thing.

  • Bernadette

    Your article seems spot-on; wonderful enough that I was hoping to forward it to my sister who left The Church for “Evangelical” Protestantism. But there is an annoying “You may also like…” ad that pops up on the right side of your page, that will not close, and that prevents me from reading the bulk of your essay! Please fix this so I can finish reading and share with others!

    • rigo

      Follow the Bible not man made ideas,traditions,and rituals… read 1john ch. 2

      • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

        Rigo – I addressed the theme of your comments that organized religion is against Jesus here – http://www.davidlgray.info/blog/2012/01/the-hand-of-satan-in-the-i-hate-religion-but-love-jesus-movement/

        • CHARLES

          Rigo,
          You yourself follow the traditions of men. For it was men who passed along the knowledge of the Lord for you to receive.

          1 John 2 says nothing about following only the bible.

          If we are to follow the bible only, how then did Christians even know the Lord prior to the fourth century when the bible (New Testament) was collected and set in canonical form?? Can you state your faith and how you were saved using the Old Testament only?? That is all the early Christians had. there were no printing presses. Most everything was by word of mouth and memory.

          You interpret 1 John 2 incorrectly. Under what authority do you make such claims? We have the authority of the history of the Church; where is your authority to interpret thusly? And if you say the Holy Spirit is your teacher, then how come your interpretation is different than mine and I too believe I am taught by the holy spirit…and the Historic Church?
          In regards to the passage, it states quite clearly that the intent is to beware of those who “cheat you” through philosophy and empty deceit, (notice the comas which mean that more is included) according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
          You need to read the entire passage correctly.

          Then, go to any of Paul’s writings and note where he writes to “follow everything I taught you.” i.e. – Tradition. (look it up please).

          Now for some fun.

          I bet you follow the “saved by faith only, and not by works” crowd, huh?

          Look at Ephesians 2:8-10; we were created for good works – not faith alone.

          Then look at James 2:14-26. We are saved by works and not faith alone.

          Now about the Eucharist: Look at the last supper (any Gospel) and note that Jesus said to “Do this in remembrance of me”. then look at John 6:41-71 (especially 48-58) and note how the Apostle John quotes Jesus talking about His body and blood. Notice he does not say the wine represents the blood, or the bread the body. He does not say it is only a meal to remember (like the manna the fathers ate int he wilderness.)
          No. He emphatically and repeatedly states that His body IS the bread; and His blood IS the Wine. i.e. the wine and bread are in reality, and mysteriously, His body and blood as the new covenant. they didn’t use pretend blood and meat in the covenants with God; so why would he “pretend” it was His body and blood for a show meal?

          In fact, He was SO specific, that many stopped following Him because of it. It was offensive to the Jews, and too hard for some his own disciples.

          then go and read Paul in 1 Corinthians 11:17-29 (27, 29) and note that anyone who eats the bread, or drinks the cup unworthily, and NOT RECOGNIZING the Lord’s body and blood (note he did not say it represents His body and blood), he eats and drinks condemnation on himself. i.e. He sins against the body and blood of Christ. You can’t sin against a representation, or make believe stuff.

          Anyway, you need to think on these things, and also figure out why you are AGAINST what the Church has always taught. And also that that resistance puts you OUTSIDE of the Church, and in danger of loss of your salvation. But only God knows the true state of your soul.

          But we Catholics know the state of our soul because we have the sacraments passed down to us from Jesus’ apostles that give us grace and strength and comfort.

          And we know it is true and without error because it has been held as such for 2000 years. Not just since the reformation.

          Be educated about what you believe. It is Critical to the salvation of your soul.

  • Dylan E.

    Robert, you said, “Please remember that the Catholic Church herself teaches that these other christian denominations ARE, IN FACT, a part of the body of Christ. We, as Catholics do not have a monopoly on salvation.” This, my friend, is contrary to Church teaching. Please see Mysterium Ecclesiae and Dominus Iesus. The one Body of Christ “subsists in the Catholic Church”. The utterly heretical (though I know you do not intend to be) notion of the “branch theory” which is basically what you’re putting forth is condemned by the Church. The Catechism says there may be some possibility of extraordinary means of salvation outside the visible confines of the Church, but “all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Catholic Church”. This religious indifferentism which comes from the kind of attitude held by some Catholics leads to much greater ecclesiological problems on an ecumenical level. The Catholic Church is the true Church. It is wrong to desire a lukewarm Catholic to lose the faith and defect to Protestantism. But rather, we should wish that a lukewarm Catholic and the Protestants have a conversion of the heart and practice the true Faith of the Catholic Church devoutly and fully.

  • Robert Green

    I can not disagree with what is in Mysterium Ecclesiae. However, I strongly disagree with a large part of your interpretation.

    Quoting the Second Vatican Council, Mysterium says this about salvation:

    “it is through Christ’s Catholic Church alone, which is the general means of salvation, that the fullness of the means of salvation can be obtained,”(4) and that same Catholic Church “has been endowed with all divinely revealed truth and with all the means of grace”(5) with which Christ wished to enhance His messianic community.”

    So the Catholic Church is the general means of salvation and alone has the fullness of the means of salvation. Therefore, my wording that our Catholic Church does not have a monopoly on salvation, while technically true was probably a bad word choice.

    But if I may go on quoting from Mysterium, it says this about Christian Churches outside of the “visible structure” of the Catholic Church:

    “There is no obstacle… to the fact that “outside her visible structure,” namely in Churches and ecclesial communities which are joined to the Catholic Church by an imperfect communion, there are to be found “many elements of sanctification and truth (which), as gifts properly belonging to the Church of Christ, possess an inner dynamism towards Catholic unity.”

    Therefore, because of their membership in Christ’s Church, although that communion is imperfect, they have elements of sanctification and truth.

    The Catachism of the Catholic Church quotes the exact same passage and goes on to say that: “Christ’s Spirit uses the churches and ecclesial communities as a means of salvation whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church.”

    Therefore salvation CAN be found in these other Christian Churches.

    Mysterium goes on to say, (and I agree with your assessment here):

    “The followers of Christ are therefore not permitted to imagine that Christ’s Church is nothing more than a collection (divided, but still possessing a certain unity) of Churches and ecclesial communities.”

    This means we must see the Catholic Church as the One True Church established by Christ. All churches do not have the fullness of Spirit and Truth. But as we demonstrated above, salvation can be obtained through these Churches where elements of sanctification and truth can be found, and this salvation derives from the Catholic Church.

    To bring the conversation full circle, we are talking about supporting Tim Tebow when he wants to talk about Jesus and shout the Good News from the mountain tops. Here’s what Mysterium Ecclesiae has to say about that:

    “Catholics must joyfully acknowledge and esteem truly Christian endowments derived from our common heritage, which are to be found among our separated brethren,”(8) and they must strive for the re-establishment of unity among all Christians, by making a common effort of purification and renewal,(9) so that the will of Christ may be fulfilled and the division of Christians may cease to be an obstacle to the proclamation of the Gospel throughout the world.”

    Basically this is telling us that we must esteem and joyfully acknowledge where our separated christian brothers and sisters are living out their Christian endowments (which are our common heritage).

    To tell your children that Tebow is not a role model because of his faith or to bear resentment towards his outward signs of love for Christ, are the opposite of esteem and joyful acknowledgement.

    • Jack

      What is this fullness “Spirit and Truth” that protestants don’t have?

      • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

        Thanks for the question Jack – the Fullness begins with the Seven Sacraments (Protestant usually have no more than three, if that), the full Bible, the New Covenant Priesthood, and the actual Catholic/Universal Church that Jesus started through His Apostles and which has been with us ever since.

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  • Pete

    When I was a kid (50s and 60s) we were catechized by dedicated clergy, religious and family. There were no Bob Tebows as nearly all Protestants then were denominational. Honestly, one rarely, if ever, heard of a Catholic becoming Protestant(plenty of Catholics lapsed and became non-practicing but when they did go to Church they wouldn’t think of going in a Protestant church.)

    Billy Graham and Bill Bright led the “name it and claim it” salvation push that ushered in the Bob Tebow Ministries generation which now proliferates.

    Check it out, there are innumerable missions to Ireland, France, Spain, Brazil etc., pushing this “accept Jesusw as your persoanl savior and you’re in forever” balogna. They, less frequently go to places the Marynoll Missioners ahve been in for many years.

    To the extent Tebow is successful it is directly because the Catholic Church, which includes you and me, has been lax, lazy, turned inward, you name it.

    When I was a kid EVERY CATHOLIO KID was called on to save his pennies for a donation to the “missionary babies in Africa” Look at the result. the faith is exploding in Africa. In the US, Central and South America it’s being secularized and abandoned. In Europe it simply gasps its last breath. Why? Because as the Church sought to accomodate society and ran after it, the Church found society always ran faster.

    The problem is not Tebow, at least he believes in something positive. It’s us.

    • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

      Good points Pete!

  • Elinor Dashwood

    A couple of points.
    1. Football bores me to tears, and I’m a native New Yorker, which are two reasons why I have no horse in this race from the athletic point of view. Tim Tebow seems to be reasonably competent at his job, and he certainly has many admirers.
    2. I didn’t dislike Mel Gibson because of his father (I disliked him because he was a schismatic), and I’m not going to dislike Tebow because of his father.
    3. If a nice boy and affectionate son of ordinary intelligence has a dad who seems to him to be doing a good work, OF COURSE he’s going to lend a hand. The likeliest thing is that he has always seen his father’s work as spreading the Gospel, and who would be against that? Tim Tebow is not likely to be among the very, very few people who have the intellectual equipment to evaluate the things they’ve always taken for granted, to be the one who takes a fresh look at the familiar and suddenly says to himself, “Hey, how about that? Turns out the Old Man’s an anti-Catholic bigot!”
    4. The pro-life movement suffered for too long from suspicion and hostility between Catholics, who did the movement’s heavy lifting and bore all the police beatings and the unjust prosecutions all through the Sixties and Seventies, and like-thinking Protestants. Evangelicals have made handsome amends since then, and it does not become us to fall out over old quarrels now.

    PROLIFERS NEED TO STICK TOGETHER. Nothing makes the bad guys happier than fomenting disputes between people who ought to be working with each other and not against each other.

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  • Zach Foreman

    I’ll use an apt analogy:
    I am a Stanford alum. Our rival is Cal, which we despise. However, I will root for any Pac-12 team, including Cal in a Bowl game in order to boost the reputation of the Pac-12. I am a Giants fan and therefore despise the Dodgers, but I would support any National League team in the World Series for similar reasons.
    How is this apt? We are no longer fighting the wars of religion of the 16th and 17th centuries. Yes, we disagree with protestants but these disagreements pale in comparison to our disagreements with seculars, theologically and culturally. When Tebow is attacked for his public fealty to God, I, a fellow Christian, feel attacked. The way Tebow sees the world– governed by a loving Creator– is miles away from how much of the media sees it. The way Tebow sees human nature–fallen but redeemed by God’s grace–is opposed to the way that secular society sees it. I am not pro-Tebow, but I am anti-anti-Tebow, that is, I will defend him against all those who seek to denigrate him because of his courageous faith in God.

    • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

      Zach I enjoy your comments! That you would defend T. Tebow’s right to express his faith as he desires only makes you a human being. I believe Mormonism and Islam and etc. are LIES, but each human has a right to search for God as their conscience leads them, so I would defend their right to do that.

      My concern with T. Tebow is the fact that he supports his father’s mission to destroy the Catholic Church. That has nothing whatsoever to do with his right to seek God and worship God. His fealty to his father’s mission makes Him a friend of Satan who has been trying since the beginning to prevail against our Church. Now I don’t call Tim an enemy necessarily, but his actions make him the close friend of my enemy.

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  • rigo

    The Gospel of Jesus changes the human heart, not man made traditions… read Mathew 7:21

    Go tebow!

    • Stew

      “Man-made traditions” – like Sola Scriptura?

  • CHARLES

    I have found that both your blog as well as one by Patrick Vandapool seem more interested in doing EXACTLY the same thing to Baptists (Tebow’s dad’s ministry, etc) as Baptists do to Catholics.

    I find it distressing that there is so much vitriol being flung at them when I do not see the same having been shot toward you or the Catholic Church in their website. Seems a bit over the top concerning a sports figure don’t you think?? Where is the love that is supposed to be the hallmark of the believer?

    I DO see on their website ministry to orphans and the poor. Is that not worthy of some respect??

    Being ordained in a Catholic Protestant denomination and then coming into the Roman Catholic Church, I can tell you the RC church could use some evangelical fervor. In fact, it is desperately in need of it. I find most Catholics to be rather ignorant of their own faith and training, and especially of the bible.

    Is it just possible that if the RC Church EVANGELIZED and DISCIPLED their members better int he Philippines that this might be a non-issue?

    The RC church is going through a thorough shaking because of the clergy abuse scandal as well as the ignorance of its membership. When was the last time you heard about tithing in the church? Witnessing? The mandatory attendance at Mass? Confession?

    The RC church, post Vatican II has allowed itself to be shook around like a rag doll and is suffering a fracture in its congregations as new (old) heretical ideas make a new attack. Do you recognize them?

    We need to be working to bring the Tebow’s into the Church, not build a higher wall between us and shoot arrows over the top.

    I don;t judge a son by his father and neither should you. Have you HEARD Tebow says such things are his doctrinal belief’s? or are you just assuming by association?

    Seems most of the work they do down there is valuable and the RC church should be doing it.

    Need to gutcheck this animosity toward a man who is living his belief’s no matter how wrong you think he is.

    Oh that more Roman Catholics would do so and take a stand on other issues in addition to Life.

    • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

      Thanks for the comments Charles – I do understand where you are coming from – I really do, but I want to reply to a few things here.

      1. There is no animosity or hate here for Tim Tebow or Bob Tebow. These are just the facts. If there are any facts here that are not true, then that is on me, but if you are uncomfortable with these facts then that is on you.

      2. The Catholic Church is universal. Whether above or underground it is in every country in the world. And, yes, in some places more cold than hot, but there is nothing that BTEA does that I don’t see going on in my own parish or diocese. There is nothing BTEA is doing in the Philippines that the Catholic Church there hasn’t done, isn’t doing, or can’t do. But I understand the gist of you point and even Pope Benedict XVI has said that there is a lot we can learn from the protesters. And, yes, obviously the shepherds of the Philippines can do a much better job to protect the flock from thieves like BTEA.

      3. Concerning this article, the one I wrote about worshiping Tebow, and the one about Philip Rivers, my message has remained consistent. Tim Tebow is not a friend to the Catholic Church. He has never been all of his life – maybe to no fault of his own. I don’t have to have heard him minister, because he evangelizes the message of BTEA (has since he was a kid) and he presently is using his foundation to partner with BTEA to cooperate in their agenda, which is against the Catholic Church.

      4. You will never hear me apologize for defending my Church against anyone who comes against it, no matter who they are or what their religion is (even Catholic), and no matter how marvelous their good works are. I will expose the works of Satan and his tools whereever I find them, even in myself. And the work of praying the Tebow’s into the Catholic Church begins with telling the facts about their error.

  • http://www.skipslighthouse.blogspot.com Paul Mutschler

    I left the Catholic Church as an adult when I realized that the Gospel being preached was not the true Gospel presented in the Bible. The Apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 1:6-9: “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

    Paul also wrote in Ephesians 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.”

    The Catholic Church adds works to “earn” what is a gift. The Sacraments, according to the doctrine of Rome, are necessary for a person to be saved. The Sacraments are works, and therefore, are not essential for salvation. Do not get me wrong; I believe that Baptism and the Lord’s Supper are for Christians to do AFTER they have come to faith in Jesus Christ, but they are not necessary for one to be saved. I think of the thief on the cross next to Jesus as a perfect example. Paul said that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved (Rom. 10:9-10); not if we are faithful to the doctrine of any church, not even the Catholic Church. Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Rom. 10:13). That is why Tebow’s father could say the Philippines had not heard the Gospel – the real Gospel. Don’t take my word for it or the word of any man; search the Scriptures and you will find the truth. God bless all who will seek Him.

    • http://davidlgray.info/ Yoseph M. Daviyd

      Paul let me put this more succinctly for you – You left the Catholic Church because it didn’t agree with YOUR understanding of the Bible. You left the Church because you were so arrogant to think that the Catholic Church who persevered, protected, promulgated, and canonized the Bible actually didn’t believe 100% of it (including the other seven books you’ve rejected). You left the Church because you leaned on your own understanding (immoral). You left the Catholic Church because Satan duped you into rejecting the gift that Jesus gave you, which is the only Church he ever started and, which has been teaching the same Apostolic doctrine for 2,000 years. You left the Church because your heart was restless and now it is at false peace because you are in the restless and ever dividing and confused mess of Protestantism, who can’t settle on anything it believes (like you).

      Once you put your pride aside I believe that you will make the same re-conversion that many Protestants have. You will wake up and realize the mess that you are in and ask yourself if the Protestants actually had it right then why isn’t the grace of God with them. Why do they keep splitting into more and more factions? Why aren’t they one like God? Why don’t they have the Eucharist, which for 2,000 years has been taught is the actual Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. Why don’t they have the miracles of the Eucharist and intercession of the Saints? Once you start asking yourself the right questions and STOP asking yourself your own answers – you’ll wake up and be blessed!

      I invite you to return to the Catholic Church today and go set before the Holy Eucharist and talk to Jesus about this. What I promise you – WHAT I PROMISE YOU – is that if you do that, what is going to happen is that an inner knowing will come over you that you’ve been wrong, disappointed, and you will feel the arms of Jesus welcome you back into His Church.

      Proofs of the Catholic Church

      Blessings and Shalom

  • Tom

    The Protestant church branched-off from the Roman Catholic church (Martin Luther and the Reformation) because things were going on in the Roman Catholic church which were unsound and created discontent among the clergy. The Eastern Orthodox Church is the only church that has remained Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.

    • http://davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Tom, your understanding of the so-called ‘reformation’ is false and prepubescent. I invite you to purchase my book ‘Dead on Arrival’ to build a more enlightened understanding as to how Satan used the pride of Martin Luther to attempt to divide Christianity. As Christ said, Satan will TRY to prevail against the Church, but he never will. The Church that Jesus Christ started through His Apostles still subsist in the Catholic Church today, and it has NEVER divided or taught error.

      Please visit: Proofs of the Catholic Church

  • Dave Parrish

    I also left this “church” of false doctrines and pedofile priests!!
    A church that killed true believers in the 15/16th centuries and tortured people. That worships Mary and “saints” created by human counsels. Interestingly I never hear once anybody who is RC telling me they were or have been Born Again by the Spirit of God…. Why, because if you follow this system you cannot be indwelt with the Spirit of Grace and therefore are following a false spirit and being led to Perdition by these men wearing pointed hats and flowery robes… Hmm, not close to what Jesus wore here…

    Repent, let the Holy Spirit show you your utter sinfulness and be saved in a moment by God, by True Faith in the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Jesus that IS FINISHED!! and not by a Satanically created and driven system!!
    I thank God for leading me out of this system and I hope He leads you all out too!!
    Dave

    PS are you trusting God, or men masquerading as the Vicar of Christ, as now “your god” He is be your teacher of teachers, not some man voted in by other men. Let the Spirit of Truth and Grace lead you to Repentance and True Salvation and be who Leads you to live in the life of Christ, available to you today!!

    1Jn 2:26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to deceive you.
    1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.

    • http://davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Dave your understanding of the Catholic Church, the Bible that it wrote and canonized, and of history is at the level of a 1st Grader. My daughter knows more about Christian history than you. I’ll pray for you because the Devil has duped you into leaving the only Church that Jesus Christ started through his Apostles. May the grace of God and intercessory prayers of the saints lead you home through vulnerability to the Spirit of God.

      Please visit: Proofs of the Catholic Church

  • Tom

    It’s not the Orthodox Church that has changed, David, but it was the Roman Catholic Church. Papal infallibility? The Roman Pope superior to all the other Bishops? These were concepts that were unknown prior to the Great Schism. And let’s not forget that the Pope sent the Crusaders to sack and destroy the Orthodox Church in Constantinople. I’d love to hear someone explain away the Christian principle behind that!

    • http://davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Tom, just take some time to read the documents from the first three hundred years of the Catholic Church and your understanding of Christian history will be dramatically changed. I use to be a Protestant and use to believe the same as you, but the truth is the truth, and once you are confronted with it you will have to deal with it. As early as the first century Church throughout the known world were deferring important matters of faith and conflict resolution to the Bishop of Rome (see the letters of Pope Clement). I recommend that you purchase the three book compilation by Jurgens called, ‘Faith of our Fathers’. Moreover, Papal Infallibility is often misunderstood, but there is a reason why Protestant Churches move with culture in modifying their doctrine and why the Catholic Church in union with Rome has never changed. Read the history and you will see that all that we believe now is what we have always believed. Also remember that there is only one person who wants the people of God divided and that is Satan. He is the roots of every division, but he has never prevailed against the Church of Rome. Blessings and Shalom.

  • Byron

    I appreciate many of the concerns on here but I must have missed something because I am not Catholic. Would you consider Paul a Catholic? Or James? If so some of your teachings would then contradict thiers. Paul preached that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ. James does not advocate a works based righteousness rather he explains that faith without works is dead. True faith in Christ will produce works rooted in love for the justification that comes from Christ sacrifice. As far as the Lord’s Supper goes Paul says “For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.” (1 Co 11:23–26.) He of course is quoting Jesus & the key word here is remembrance which would indicate that grace is not imparted in anyway. This is not to minimize the importance or the sactity of the Lord’s Supper but it is not salvific. As far a Sola-Scriptura goes, do you not believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God? Why would you place the Church above the divinly inspired Word of God? Should this not be the source for doctrine and belief? It was for these reasons that Martin Luther seperated from the Catholic Church because he realized that the teachings of men were being elevated to the equal of the teachings of God. Again I am somewhat ignorant of many of the traditions that Catholics hold but I would appreciate if you would enlighten me.

    In Christ,

    Byron

    • http://davidlgray.info/ David L. Gray

      Hi Byron – thanks for the comment. Catholicism is probably the most misunderstand religion in the West, due to centuries of lies about it by Protestants. If you actually want to know what we believe I encourage you to either buy a cheap copy of our Catechism or take a look at the one online at http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm. To reply in brief:

      1. False – Catholics do not believe in a works based Salvation, but we do believe in works-inclusive Salvation where we love God our Father with all of our mind, all of our heart, all of our strength, and all of our soul and love our neighbors as we love ourselves – and there is no greater love/work than to love as Christ loved. We believe that we are Saved by the passion of Christ. That is, not by what He did, but rather by the evil He allowed to be done to Him. Where Adam failed in the Garden, Christ proved obedient in the Garden. Only those who are obedient to Christ, to the point of remaining in His love, will receive eternal life.

      2. Yes – The Catholic Church is the only Church that Jesus started through His apostles – our age and continues existence and consistency of doctrine is something we can easily prove through documents of the early fathers of the Church and the unbroken line of Bishops of the Church of Rome since Peter. Check out this link:
      Proofs of the Catholic Church – #3 : Time Travel, Guys Named Peter, and Folks who Wanna Be Starting Something

      3. Your understanding of the Passover Meal is very Protestant – very modern. If you read the writings of the early Fathers – I recommend you purchase ‘Faith of the Fathers’ by Jurgens, you will see that Christians have ALWAYS believed the Catholic doctrine of the Eucharist – that it is His Actual Flesh and Blood when consecrated – to which Jesus and Paul never said anything less. You interpretation of the word ‘remembrance’ needs to be developed futher – the Greek there is ‘anemeno’, which is a compound word derived from the prefix ana (meaning: repetition, intensity, reversal) and meno (meaning: continue, tarry, stand, expectancy), together they combine to mean perpetually wait. Check out these links:
      Proofs of the Catholic Church – #4 : The Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist is the New Covenant Seder/Passover Meal
      Proofs of the Catholic Church – #5: It all Stands or Falls on John 6
      How the Ascension of Lord and the Holy Eucharist are Dependent on Each Other

      4. Your understanding of Martin Luther needs to be developed further as well. You’d be surprised what he still believed about the faith, and you’d be more surprised what other teachings he held, such as polygamny, Hitler type of attitude towards Jews, that Anabaptist should be killed. Bottom line is that Satan used Luther to do only what Satan wants – a divided Church. If you look in to this man’s life you will see that he was not a saint. I recommend by book to you ‘Dead on Arrival – the Seven Fatal Errors of Sola Scriptura

      When I was a Protestant I too was befuddled by what I ‘THOUGHT’ Catholics believed. Turned out that they actually didn’t believe most of what I THOUGHT they did, and what I still thought was strange turned out to be very Biblical and well grounded in Christian history – the actual praxis of the faith. The thing is that the Catholic Christians, wrote, preserved, protected, propagated, and canonized the Bible; therefore we agree with 100% of it. What we don’t agree with is other’s interpretation of our Bible, or your removing of seven books of it. If you want to know what Stephen King meant in his book, then ask Stephen King – the author. If you want to know what God inspired men to write in the Bible, then goto the Church who He authorized to canonize it – not to some men who came along 500 years ago and who didn’t actually know the Apostles. We knew Paul – he started our Church – he and the other Apostles actually taught us and passed down the faith to us. Luther didn’t know Paul or the Apostles, and based upon his life – he is not to be trusted.

      Food for thought :)

      Blessing and Shalom

  • ARMELI QUEZON

    I am a Filipino, born in 1939..with roots from Spain and the Philippines. I know exactly what we are as
    Filipinos. I taught for 45 years from K to College.

    I believe that the Divine God is called in
    different names by different religious sects and places… Even the Catholic Church believes that it is NOT only the Catholics who is and will be saved. The ones who believe in the Creator and does HIS words are saved. Even though how much one knows the Holy Book and does not live it, is not better than anyone who does not know the Bible but lives under the grace of the Almighty.

    The proximity of those who have not heard about the
    Great Teachings is a safe Math..not mentioning the references and exact figures , proximation is a safe term.

    As for their teachings..we can not judge anyone..only the Creator does that. If someone is wrong and another knows better , we still can not judge the wrong one..we then try to do something positive to correct the error.

    As long as HE , our Creator, is not offended by us, as long as we do the right thing at the right time…let us all have that effective positive prayers that we may be saved as judged by HIM.

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